How to Draw a Sword From Your Back TUTORIAL

Brian G Turner

  • #one

A research question on the use of the 2H sword.

The question is, how would a two hander be drawn from its sheath, especially if worn at your back?

It's just that I figure the sword would demand the sheath adapting for drawing sideways from the dorsum, and I'm not sure that's going to exist very applied.

In which case, would the sheath be removed from the back first, and the sword and so fatigued?

But trying to figure how information technology'due south usually done. :)

HareBrain

  • #iii

Non certain how historically accurate it is (my guess, not very) simply here is a practical solution -- only the stop of the blade is sheathed, with the hilt-end beingness held in place by hooks around the guards.

The Judge

  • #4

It isn't only drawing a sword from your back which is next to impossible -- how would you re-sheathe the sword afterwards?!

I'grand pretty sure the zweihander of the Landsknechte didn't have a scabbard, not i which was worn, anyway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Landsknecht_with_his_Wife.jpg

I visited the Wallace Drove last year and they had a off-white few longswords, merely I don't recall seeing any scabbards for them, though at that place were scabbards for other, smaller, swords. It might be worthwhile contacting the Royal Armouries and seeing what information they accept.

In my fantasy, I've got the longswordsmen carrying the blades confronting their shoulders, in the same fashion pikemen would carry their pikes.

Teresa Edgerton

  • #v

My husband says at that place are pictures of landsknecht'southward and Scots going into battle merely conveying their two-handed swords unsheathed on their shoulders. He'due south as well seen pictures of landsknechts holding sheathed swords horizontally in front of them.

And so in betwixt encounters a character could vesture his two-handed sword in a sheath over the dorsum (which is the only way to article of clothing it without tripping over it). If he were taken by surprise during a scene, he would either have to take off the strap and the sheath to describe the sword -- presumably, the strap would exist constructed in such a way that it would come off easily -- or exercise what John has seen people do alive: wearing their swords with only the bottom third sheathed, a band at the summit, and with practice they can pull the sword out of the little sheath, which allows them to change the angle and pull it over the shoulder and in front of them, and then that they can then pull it out of the band. He doesn't know if the concluding way is really in catamenia, just it does work.

Brian G Turner

  • #half-dozen

The only affair that concerns me about the i/3 scabbard is this is going to expose the weapon to the elements, and then it may non be applied for general vesture - only brusque-term vesture, ie, before a battle. However, the problem is that if I put it a 2H in a full scabbard, with fur at the top to end the rain leaking in, it is going to exist undrawable, unless I set up some kind of hinged release - which would piece of work, but may exist far also modern.

I guess I was kind of hoping in that location was an authentic solution for drawing two handed swords speedily, but I doubtable that was never an intended part of their utilize.

Teresa Edgerton

  • #8

The only thing that concerns me nigh the 1/3 scabbard is this is going to expose the weapon to the elements

Coincidentally (only not so much, because Miles has people out in the garage armoring much of the time) someone who would know only stopped by the house. He says that he thinks the pulling the sword over the shoulder matter wasn't done (although he acknowledges that information technology is possible with the 1/3 scabbard and ring). If a sword were carried in the shorter scabbard, for travelling information technology would be wrapped in something like waxed wool or wool with lanolin in it.

Since these swords were often not carried in a scabbard at all -- they weren't sharp, so in that location was no worry about that -- they were greased to proceed them from rusting. Also, they had to be maintained, using something like a whetstone to scrape off any rust.

The Judge

  • #9

You know, I wish I'd idea to ask this flaming question, and xviii months agone -- it would have helped me no stop (and saved a lot of time!).

My husband says there are pictures of landsknecht'south and Scots going into battle simply conveying their two-handed swords unsheathed on their shoulders. He'southward likewise seen pictures of landsknechts belongings sheathed swords horizontally in front of them.

When yous say horizontally, do you know mean one hand gripping the hilt, and the other holding the sheathed blade ie across the trunk? I wondered whether as a longer term measure it would exist more than comfortable with the bract resting against the other arm, eg in the crook of the elbow, as the trunk would be taking some of its weight.

I likewise wondered nearly what would happen to whatsoever scabbard (of whatever size) as and when they fought -- they couldn't proceed to hold it, then presumably would have to dump it and and then try and find it (or someone else's) after. Or would it exist left with the wagons post-obit behind, maybe?

If a sword were carried in the shorter scabbard, for travelling information technology would be wrapped in something similar waxed wool or wool with lanolin in it.

Since these swords were often not carried in a scabbard at all -- they weren't sharp, so at that place was no worry about that -- they were greased to proceed them from rusting. Also, they had to exist maintained, using something like a whetstone to scrape off any rust.

Scribbling fast to make notes hither! Thanks!

Brian G Turner

  • #x

Excellent, equally I've already got the oiling regime mentioned.

The curious pointer is them not being sharp - I come across all kinds of alien stories well-nigh 2H sword apply. I guess there are different needs and styles, so the weapon is built accordingly.

Here'southward the sort of thing that's leaving me thoughtful - it's supposedly an historical replica, and comes with scabbard - just is the scabbard authentic or made up?
http://www.theknightshop.co.uk/itemize/english language-twohand-sword-p-1539.html

I'll exist detouring to the Majestic Armouries at Easteron and so I tin ask direct.

Much obliged for your answers, btw, Teresa - I know living history is part of your background.

Teresa Edgerton

  • #xi

When you say horizontally, practice you know mean one manus gripping the hilt, and the other holding the sheathed bract ie beyond the trunk? I wondered whether equally a longer term mensurate information technology would exist more comfortable with the blade resting against the other arm, eg in the crook of the elbow, equally the body would be taking some of its weight.

John doesn't recollect because he's merely seen one film with the blades held horizontally, but your fashion makes sense. The swords weigh v or six pounds, so they aren't the heavy monsters that people call up they are, merely still ...

In by far the most pictures he'southward seen, the swords are held resting against their shoulders like someone carrying a rifle.

I also wondered well-nigh what would happen to whatsoever scabbard (of whatever size) as and when they fought -- they couldn't continue to hold it, so presumably would have to dump it and then try and find it (or someone else'due south) afterwards. Or would it exist left with the wagons following behind, maybe?

In an emergency, if they were taken by surprise, they'd accept to toss information technology aside, only, when possible, things get left behind in camp or with the wagons.

Teresa Edgerton

  • #13

Oh, and TJ and Brian, I will pass your thanks on to the advisable persons. I am certain they will tell you that the pleasure was theirs (the menfolk around here do similar to talk about artillery, armor, and armed combat whenever they become the risk).

Venusian Broon

  • #xiv

My thinking is that two handers are not weapons of convenience or of self-defence. They were to be used in battles that y'all knew were coming up, and y'all just had the sword out and ready.

If you were marching from point A to point B, it was stored away. For defending yourself along that journey from surprise attackers you'd most likely have a dagger or shorter sword nigh your person.

I hold, I've got a short history of Galloglass'due south - Gaelic mercenary warriors - here at home (I dear dipping into those Osprey books!) and they fought battles with two-handed weapons, although considering they have nordic origins it tended to be double headed axes. Merely they also carried side arms, ranging from dirks, hunting bows to scabbarded broadswords - as TomG points out for firsthand utilize if required. The two-hander would be brought up when a boxing was well-nigh to start.

For that purpose, although the book is not 100% articulate, it seems to be more or less given that each galloglass had at least one attendent/knave. And it would be the attendents responsiblity to store (and sheaf if it had a sheaf!) and and then bring it to his master when required, I guess.

I don't know how expensive the weapons themselves are - compared to other smaller versions, simply the actual soldier who would be wielding it was expensive to railroad train and to apply these large weapons well (He'd take to large and strong and then be built upwards from babyhood), hence these were higher status troops. And and then I'd expect he'd have a retinue to service his needs, as he was a more valuable asset.

You see them same matter with knights - they would have gone into battle with a retinue - who would wait after his armour, bring him new horses, etc...Obviously the richer you lot were the bigger the retinue you lot could bring.

Brian G Turner

  • #16

My father's naval dress sword was always kept coated in vaseline.

Did it accept a scabbard, though?

Brian G Turner

  • #19

Just to update, I dropped the idea of drawing from a backscabbard. :)

Brian G Turner

  • #twenty

Skallagrim does a decent slice about carrying ii-handed swords:

He agrees that wearing at it at the back is practical for carrying, just not for cartoon. Interesting to see it could be carried similar a rifle, though. :)

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